Kate says

June 7, 2009

Kate has an *interesting* post on global warming. Some highlights and my thoughts:

Kate says: Environmentalists hope dire predictions and a healthy dose of drama spur corrective action. Maybe more people will reduce, reuse, and recycle.

Let’s see. Scare the shit out of voters and they will agree with you. For the past eight years, all I have heard is GWB was using terrorism as a scare tactic. Now scare tactics are okay.

Kate says:
I don’t give a shit if you believe in global warming or not. The bottom line is this – didn’t you learn as a kid to clean up after yourself? Well, human beings have a miserable track record cleaning up after themselves. Whether such messiness leads to our destruction remains a point of contention and debate, but the facts are clear: corporations and people should do more to clean up the planet.

I would qualify that. Poor human beings have a miserable track record on the environment. As countries become richer, they pollute less. Rich people demand (and will pay for) a cleaner environment.

The current solution to climate change offered by the government is “cap and trade”.

Some neocons like Ralph Nader don’t like it:

Cap-and-traders assume, without much justification, that one country can put a price on carbon emissions while another doesn’t without affecting trade or investment decisions.

Good intentions to limit big polluters in some countries but not others will turn any meaningful cap into Swiss cheese. It can be avoided by relocating existing and new production of various kinds of CO2-emitting industries to jurisdictions with no or virtually no limits. This is known as carbon leakage, and it leads to trade anarchy.

and Gore’s scientist/global warming poster boy, James Hansen is not a fan:

Hansen lambasts the current international approach of setting targets to be met through “cap and trade” schemes as not up to the task. “This approach is ineffectual and not commensurate with the climate threat. It could waste another decade, locking in disastrous consequences for our planet and humanity

but yet Kate says:
We *know* we’re in trouble. And we also know how to fix it. Let’s not argue over the methods that people use to get our fellow citizens off their asses and working toward a solution. Because the solution will benefit all of us.

I disagree that “we know how to fix it”. Kate, tell me your solution.

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11 Responses to “Kate says”

  1. superdave524 Says:

    Enduring things is not the American way; trying stuff- even stupid stuff- is the American way.

  2. John in IL Says:

    Not sure what that has to do with anything (even if it were true).

  3. Quakerjono Says:

    I think the point may be…look, you do know how to solve a word problem, don’t you? You start writing things down. Hell, you may not even have any idea what you’re actually supposed to be solving for, but you do know certain things. So you put them down and then you start playing with them. Maybe you find the solution, maybe you don’t. But if you spend all your time complaining as to why the other guy is solving it wrong then you’re pretty much guaranteed to solve nothing.

    Now post some more goddamn pictures!

  4. John in IL Says:

    Now this is getting weird(er). You start with: “I think the point may be…”. If the point you are making is so important don’t abort it with ellipses. Tell me your point.

    Instead you complain about me complaining about people who are complaining about cap and trade.

    • Quakerjono Says:

      I made my point and I did it with flavor. S’not my fault if you can’t appreciate verve.

      SD got it and I think you’re just being willfully obtuse.

      So, since more pictures are clearly not forthcoming and I therefore can not decide if I have an unrequited crush on you or not, then feel free to deny that you’re even taking a test, let alone solving a problem.

  5. superdave524 Says:

    QJ’s right. Doing something about a problem is better than doing nothing. Even the thick-headed “W” ultimately had to concede that global warming and carbon emissions are a problem. If you can’t suggest or recommend a solution, then quit carping and get on board. Lead, follow, or get out of the way.

  6. John in IL Says:

    You didn’t make your point. If you are making a point you don’t do it with ellipses. Man up Quaker.

  7. kate Says:

    Oh get a room.

    I’m sick of people admitting there’s a problem, getting on board to solve it, and dealing with a bunch of nincompoops who won’t admit there’s a problem to begin with and complain without offering a better solution.

    And I disagree with this statement: As countries become richer, they pollute less. I’ve heard it before, but I disagree. Richer countries consume more and create more waste.

  8. John in IL Says:

    And I disagree with this statement: As countries become richer, they pollute less. I’ve heard it before, but I disagree. Richer countries consume more and create more waste.

    You conflate the problem of global warming and conservation (and pollution). In your original post, which I quoted, you said we needed to do something in order to promote people to “reduce, reuse, recycle”. You said nothing about rising global temperatures and the problems associated with that. Two different problems. Not always the same answer.

    And yes, richer countries do consume more. You have more money so you are able to buy more things. With you living in Florida, I’m guessing you are running your A/C. Someone in Bangladesh doesn’t have the money to buy that A/C unit. Question for you: Would you switch places with someone in a poor country who consumes less energy than you?

  9. kate Says:

    No, but I wouldn’t trade places with a richer person here who consumes more. What does that have to do with the price of love toys in BankCOCK?

  10. John in IL Says:

    So you wouldn’t trade places with a rich(er) person here who consumes more than you do but you are perfectly fine consuming more than a poor person who can’t afford A/C. Somehow your level of consumption is at just the right level. Great. Now I know where you are coming from.


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